I just got reading this article, and this article.
Are you kidding me? Can someone explain to me how either if these things make logical, or even biblical sense?
Do people acually listen to these people?
And by the way, if I wrote demeaning, attacking, un-logical, un-biblical dribble like this, I would STILL leave my comments on.
I have decided to refrain from either of these sites again in the spirit of unity, so I can not read their ignorance any more and in the end hopefully be a closer representation of Christ to them.
Saturday, August 18, 2007
Dumb, Dumb People
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Excellent I get to be the first to comment. That blog has a well documented history. I actually contribute to a blog that tries to keep the record straight. Have fun, I imagine the hordes of Org's are coming.
My brothers, I read the aformentioned blog and find them to be a source of biblical information. If the emergent so called church does not want negative press maybe you should leave your heritical views and return to the Bible?
Wow.......thanks for the label of emergent. I would put a lot of stock into your diagnosis, if you were man enough to actually sign your comment, or if you had any idea who I am and what I think.
I might instill a new rule here "anonymous" comments get deleted immediately.
Here come the attack dogs, check out
www.apprising.org and www.christianresearchnetwork.com
Just try not to stoop so low as to have your point disregarded.
Peace
I'm guessing after referring to Christians as "dumb, dumb people" the stooping's already been done...
ken silva,
although i do not endorse the emergent church, would you not say that the posts referenced here imply that the EC are "dumb" or a word to it's equivalent? Would you not hold them to the same standard as you apparently hold Adam to? I would love to dialog more, if you so wish.
And as a further note, I believe Paul had been known to call people whom he wrote to as "dumb" or words meaning the same.
and thanks ken for naming yourself. It's an honorable thing to do.
SJ,
Appreciate the sincerity. All I wish to say is I'm afraid you have my point backward: "Would you not hold them to the same standard as you apparently hold Adam to?"
I'm not really arguing the standard per se, I'm saying if that's the one they wish to apply to alleged "attack dogs" then they pught to apply it to Shawn as well.
Frankly, in my secular days I did stand-up comedy and spent two years in LA as a solo acoustic singer/songwriter so I'm not easily rattled.
So SJ, it's actually the boys in the new evangelical "love shack" and those smug Emergent boys on the wrong side of the line who have the thin skin. :-)
Dumb, Dumb, people?
Matthew 5,vs 22:
"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." KJV
i agree with you on that, most do.
i did a follow-up post on the blog itself.
Do people acually (sic) listen to these people?
Yes, praise the Lord that many people do actually listen to these people.
Christian Research Net is but one of many, many discernment sites which boldly speak the truth into a sin sick and dying world, ceaselessly praying for the souls of men, and tirelessly pointing to the cross of Christ in the midst of relentless mocking, ridicule, and wagging of tongues by the devil's little helpers.
Oh, that more men of God would boldly stand for the Lord of Glory in this present darkness as opposed to clinging to their limp wristed effeminate po-mo version of church-ianitythat sends countless thousands of stony ground hearers home each week singing of a heaven they're never going to see.
cd,
I wrote a comment, that wasn't mean but would have done nothing to help the conversation, so I chose not to post it.
I can say it in less words, and be way more positive.
Attack me all you want, I can take it. But please leave the judgement of the people that God is leading me to connect with on a regular basis out of this blog, when it comes to attacks.
I think a review of Galatians 5 will do all good in this situation. I will recommend that all who desire to post here go and read it before commenting further. I say this not in a sarcastic tone, but in a spirit of brotherly love. Give God a chance to check your heart.
In response to Kathy,
It is apparent that Adam does has a reason to be upset and dismayed. Keep in mind, the Jesus you quote got upset from time to time (Matt 21:12-13) and even expressed many times over his dismay of his disciples inability to see the big picture on things (Matt. 15:15-17.) Paul also expressed, many times using vivid and sometimes vulgar language, his disdain for certain people who claimed to reflect Christ (Gal. 5:12)
So having contempt for certain actions that "Christ-followers" take is completely within the bounds of instructions from the Word.
To Coram deo,
as your name indicates, let's fall down before the face of God. Let Him humble us, so that we may realize that even our own preferences and doctrines can and do lead some astray by their very nature. while some churches may cause followers to leave being focused on the experience or high, other may lead their followers to be like Pharisees (being legalistic and full of pride and arrogance, spewing out venemous hatred and judgment.) Both paths can lead to Hell, and both paths must be well informed about the dangers of their stance, where the devil can sneak in and unknowingly snare them. Let us not forget our first love, for if we do, we may lose our lamp stand.
Again, we all, myself included, should read Galatians 5 before we do further damage to the Body of Christ and stress the Spirit of Truth.
Shawn's Journey:
I didn't make the "dumb" comment.
It is useless to rebuke me...your controversey is with the author of those words, the Lord Jesus Christ, Himself.
It is Him that everyone making statements on this post will answer to.
All I did is quote Him.
kathy,
Good, I'm glad that you realize that the judgement of Christians lies in God himself alone. But I assumed that that by you quoting Jesus, you were attempting to correct and instruct a fellow Christ-follower. So my response to you was to show the flip sid eof the coin in your statement, to get beneath the surface level of the verse and to apply it to this context. I personally, and I assume you do as well, adhear to the instructions that Paul gave us in Colossians 3:16 where he says, "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God." So we have to duty to instruct others when they are following a wayward path, and to show them the correct way.
I appreciate you apparent willingness to lovingly use God's word to correct a brother. I only ask that you also be so willing to accept it from a brother in return.
Christian Research Network has consistently represented the true nature of the Christian Faith. I treasure the site for it's commitment to throw itself wholly upon the scripture and that alone! Thank God for such a light in this world : )
to God be ALL the glory....
- tyler
tyler,
yes, the Word is to be regarded with the highest regard, but with mutuality with the Spirit. Together, they inform us, and lead us. We cannot forsake one for the other.
Um... but isn't your post doing exactly what you condemn?
yes, the Word is to be regarded with the highest regard, but with mutuality with the Spirit. Together, they inform us, and lead us. We cannot forsake one for the other.
How does the Spirit lead us except by the Word? You also said we should realize that even our own preferences and doctrines can and do lead some astray by their very nature.
Preferences, yes, but doctrines? Certainly not GOOD doctrine. Therefore utmost importance is to be given to one's doctrine, for from it come all faith and practice.
The love we have for each other is not necessarily brotherly love, (phileo) although that is also good, but Godly love, (agape) that rejoices in the TRUTH, and is more afraid of the loved one believing a lie than of being rejected for confronting that lie. What we must argue and contend for is truth, because without truth, (propositional/objective truth, you cannot have the real Christ, but a counterfeit.
I have been accused of wanting truth at all costs. Jesus said "I am the way, THE truth, and THE life." Yes of course I want TRUTH at all costs.
terriergal,
The Spirit can lead without the Word, remember in Acts where the Spirit was first spilled out, there was no N.T. and there was no Jesus at that point. But, as you say, you will know the Truth by knowing the Word. All I was saying is that someone can know the Word front and back, but still be whitewashed tombs.
In regard to the doctrine part, good doctrine does lead us to God and Truth. But some have doctrines that might be of man, not God. That is where the leading astray comes in. Also, sometimes having a good doctrine, for example baptism by emersion, is a good sound doctrine. But there are cases where some think that it is a saving action. So in that case, it can lead down a wrong path, namely justification through works, although the doctrine itself is good. I know I might have just opened up a whole new can of worms, but anyways...
On your last point I can't agree more.
and nice buck!
Adam,
I'm guessing that you picked up the linkage of these two particular articles from here. Just to note, I made a point to refer to this as ignorance, rather than stupidity. I think that charity and grace between Christians (even when not given, as is typically the case at CRN) is needed, and that distinctions like this are important.
Was their intent malicious? Well, most likely. Was it due to ignorance (a lack of research into the topic they spoke on) or stupidity (understanding the topic, but analyzing it poorly and drawing idiotic conclusion)? Having responded to these folks for quite some time now, I would have to say that this instance is more likely lazy "research" (which is their hallmark) combined with a desire to attack and smear (which is also their hallmark), rather than sheer stupidity...
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